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Re: Cinders

Posted: Tue 16 Feb, 2016 22:53
by deni2s
So how is driving with new bushes and other parts? Feel different?

Re: Cinders

Posted: Wed 17 Feb, 2016 07:43
by Wookee
deni2s wrote:So how is driving with new bushes and other parts? Feel different?
I'll let you know when I drive it! At the minute it's still up on stands waiting for me to finish the power steering problem, change the gearbox and diff oil and the fuel filter.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Thu 18 Feb, 2016 10:38
by Wookee
The replacement hose didn't work as it leaked at the join to the pump :head:. So I phoned round a couple of breakers and the combined opinion was that these are a pain in the neck and that they wouldn't have a decent one to sell me so best to get one from BMW.

All I can say folks is look after your hoses....as I got a discount and it still cost me £175 :shock: :shock: :shock:

This is the hose in question- part number 32 41 1 095 068
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For your £175 you don't even get a new O ring or washers!

Re: Cinders

Posted: Thu 18 Feb, 2016 10:46
by Wookee
Replacing the oils went better. :)

In this photo- the gearbox oil is on the left, as well as being black it was almost the consistency of water, the diff oil is in the centre which wasn't too bad and the replacement oil is on the right which is completely clear. I reckon that someone has previously changed the diff oil but left the gearbox oil as it is not the easiest to replace. The filler plug is tucked in a stupid place with the exhaust and undercarriage in the way. Fortunately I have an oil syringe/pump type thing as there was no way the tube from the bottle was going in there.

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Re: Cinders

Posted: Thu 18 Feb, 2016 11:08
by Wookee
As promised here is the wind deflector show and tell.

This is for cars that have these holes fitted-

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and a wind deflector that fits in them like this-

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There are TWO different sizes of these and you will need to check on real OEM as well as measure the distance between yours to make sure. They are either 750mm or 700mm and as you can see they look very, very similar-

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When you look at them on ebay photos you need to know the difference and it is on the bracket as the frame and mesh are identical.The one on top is the smaller version (700mm) and is BMW part number 82159415972. The one below is the larger (750mm) one that is part number 82159407972.

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So, measure it, check Real OEM (although that is a bit confusing as it lists a number of different numbers) and then ask the seller to confirm their part number.....and if anyone wants to buy a 750mm one I know where there is one for sale :head: :head:

Re: Cinders

Posted: Thu 18 Feb, 2016 13:28
by deni2s
Thank you! I have 82159407972 listed for my car, but I think I can use the latest too (82159415972) as I don't have any holes or fittings installed.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Thu 18 Feb, 2016 15:59
by Wookee
deni2s wrote:Thank you! I have 82159407972 listed for my car, but I think I can use the latest too (82159415972) as I don't have any holes or fittings installed.
I haven't pulled that bit of my car apart yet (far too busy with the oily bits) so I don't know how these fixings go in nor how easy/difficult they are to retrofit :shrug

Re: Cinders

Posted: Thu 18 Feb, 2016 16:25
by Wookee
In the continued good news/bad news story of Cinders- today I managed to get a refund on the 'aftermarket' steering hose and the BMW one went on with no issues. :)

So I moved on to the fuel filter. It actually looked like it had previously been changed and the fuel that came out of it wasn't bad at all and it wasn't an OEM part. However, the fixings for everything were very rusty and the fuel pipe wasn't in the best condition. So much so that when I put it all back together the pipe had fractured underneath one of the plastic clips with all the movement that had to happen to get the old filter out. Fortunately it was a simple repair with some fuel hose replacing the damaged section, though I'll probably end up replacing the fuel pipe all the way through.

Bearing in mind that I had been turning the car over countless times to check repairs in the last few days, when I turned it on to check the fuel repair I found that I have now got an exhaust leak!! :head: It's at the join of the two main sections where RealOEM says I should have a clamping bush....but I don't, instead I have a different arrangement probably fitted by Kwik Fit etc I can't feel a hole so it might just be a case of tightening everything back up.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Thu 18 Feb, 2016 18:45
by Wookee
This is what my exhaust clamps look like-

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and this is what Mr BMW says it should look like

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Unfortunately Mr BMW wants £34 for an OEM part :nono and as you can see it doesn't need to cost that much. It definitely isn't holed, just come loose.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Thu 18 Feb, 2016 21:07
by deni2s
Wookee wrote:
deni2s wrote:Thank you! I have 82159407972 listed for my car, but I think I can use the latest too (82159415972) as I don't have any holes or fittings installed.
I haven't pulled that bit of my car apart yet (far too busy with the oily bits) so I don't know how these fixings go in nor how easy/difficult they are to retrofit :shrug
I have official bmw installing/retrofitting manual ;) Not hard, but requires removing of console.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Fri 19 Feb, 2016 21:24
by Wookee
deni2s wrote:So how is driving with new bushes and other parts? Feel different?
I managed to get a bit of driving in today on my normal test route- between two roundabouts with the road between being a bit bumpy. All I can say is that the rear feels very, very planted :). So much so that the front now feels a bit jittery because the difference compared to the rear is very marked. I did the circuit several times, increasing my speed around the roundabouts each time and I was very impressed with how solid it felt, I was accelerating way, way before the wheels were in a straight line and I couldn't get it to step out of line. I very much liked the way it handled to the extent that I don't think I will change anything else for the time being and I will be happy to take it on a track as it is now. :)

I only had to stop having fun as my temporary exhaust repair started blowing again slightly and throughout the test drive I kept getting a slight smell of fuel especially when I came off the accelerator and slowed down. Once home I thought I'd give the throttle body and ICV a clean. Both were a little bit grubby but nothing exciting.

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Then I thought I'd have a look at my Crankcase valve pipe :shock:

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It looks like that from both ends and is very soft so I'm guessing that the valve is toast as well :cry:

Once everything was back together I had the engine running for a bit while I was looking at some other things and I noticed a hissing noise from the MAF boot. Although I had seen some damage to it in the form of a couple of cracks in the bellows I hadn't thought they were all the way through. It seems I was wrong :oops: and may well have found the cause of my high fuel consumption.

My final test drive observation was the wind deflector- very impressed with it :D as it makes a noticeable difference and you can see through it in the mirror.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Sat 20 Feb, 2016 14:34
by Wookee
Just spent a few minutes on Cinders today, hopefully finally sorting the exhaust blow was one object. The other was to sort out the sticky throttle which I had naturally believed to be the cable, but it turns out it wasn't....as such. Having removed the throttle body yesterday for cleaning I had taken the cable off, but hadn't replaced it. When I checked the throttle body today I noticed that the spindle on the side that the cable connects to was sticking right at the very beginning then it moved smoothly. Checking the cable itself I could move it freely in and out by hand so that wasn't causing the problem. I re-connected it and tightened it very slightly, enough to move it past the sticking point but not enough to cause any increase in idle revs, now I no longer have a sticky throttle 8-).

The mechanical jobs list is (currently :roll:) down to replacing the MAF boot, CCV and CCV hose all of which are on order :D.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Sat 20 Feb, 2016 14:37
by Wookee
I did put this on it's own thread in the general forum to find out other members' views, but thought I'd stick it on this thread as well...

Having changed both Diff and (manaul) gearbox oils on my 1.9 non-LSD car I have used this oil for both. As far as I can work out they will both do the job and I just wondered what others thought??

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Re: Cinders

Posted: Sat 20 Feb, 2016 14:40
by Wookee
This is just an 'arty' gratuitous shot of why waterproofing your hood works wonders :D

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Re: Cinders

Posted: Sat 20 Feb, 2016 21:53
by deni2s
Great to hear more on the positive side and that you like your rear end now :) Where did you found the cracks - between MAF and engine? That means your lambdas were trying to adjust fuel flow for additional air to keep good air/fuel ratio on idle and while cruising. Probably your car will run better after fixing that.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Sun 21 Feb, 2016 11:18
by Wookee
Yep, the cracks are in the bellows just before the throttle body. I'm hoping that this change along with the CCV and hose will improve things greatly :)

Re: Cinders

Posted: Sun 21 Feb, 2016 20:50
by Wookee
Just thought I'd post this photo of the fractured fuel pipe-

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The rusty section was underneath the clamp so not immediately visible and it is noticeably thinner that the rest of the pipe. Undoubtedly me moving it around to change the filter caused the fracture, but it didn't take very much :shock:

Re: Cinders

Posted: Sun 21 Feb, 2016 22:02
by bertiejaffa
your persistance and unwavering enthusiasm is to be applauded - this will soon be a brand new car!!

Re: Cinders

Posted: Mon 22 Feb, 2016 08:09
by Wookee
bertiejaffa wrote:your persistance and unwavering enthusiasm is to be applauded - this will soon be a brand new car!!
:D If I showed you a photo of the rusty underneath of the car you wouldn't say that :shock:. The good thing is that, power steering hoses aside, it is all relatively cheap.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Wed 24 Feb, 2016 13:02
by Wookee
First short test run shows that the back end is really sorted now and the engine is running smoothly except for one bit- can someone tell me what this is please? The bit behind the black circular plastic :shrug

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There is still a slight smell of fuel and I think it might be the fuel tank breather....I just need to know where that is please? Unfortunately the Bentley manual is pretty poor for just about everything! :rtm: :head:

Re: Cinders

Posted: Wed 24 Feb, 2016 13:22
by bertiejaffa
Thats part of the engine... you're welcome :cheers

Re: Cinders

Posted: Wed 24 Feb, 2016 19:33
by Brian4
It is the DISA valve.

bit of a link on what/how it works.
http://clickableautomotive.com.au/bmw-3 ... valve.html

Re: Cinders

Posted: Thu 25 Feb, 2016 11:03
by Wookee
bertiejaffa wrote:Thats part of the engine... you're welcome :cheers
Thank you for your....errr....input :lol:

Re: Cinders

Posted: Thu 25 Feb, 2016 11:40
by Wookee
Brian4 wrote:It is the DISA valve.
I think I may have said above that my mechanical journey has reached a rest stop. Well it seems I underestimated the car...sigh.... :head:

Mine sounds like it's knackered although I haven't taken it out yet to confirm, the noise is enough. BMW quote £199.05 plus VAT for an OEM one, but there is an alternative for £100 less from Vaico and I'm waiting to see if there are any takers from Parts Gateway. I wouldn't normally go for a secondhand part for something like this but it should be easy to tell if there is a problem with a used one.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Thu 25 Feb, 2016 12:26
by bertiejaffa
Try spursfan?

Re: Cinders

Posted: Fri 26 Feb, 2016 09:51
by Wookee
bertiejaffa wrote:Try spursfan?
I have managed to source one for less than £30 with a 90 day guarantee :thumb:. Ordered by part number so hopefully it'll be the right one when it turns up.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Mon 29 Feb, 2016 20:16
by Wookee
Very bored waiting for the DISA valve to get here from Norn Iron so decided to see how bad my crankcase valve was by opening it and the hose up.

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You can see it has a light coating and is in fact perfectly serviceable with a clean (depends very much on if I can get it back together though as I did use a hammer to get it apart :roll: )

On the other hand the hose itself isn't.

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It was like this the whole way through the hose and when not split apart it was more or less blocked and the hose was very, very soft- almost like plasticine. The hole in the top of the rocker cover was pretty bunged up too. My advice would be to just change the hose and clean up both bits on the ends if yours looks crap. Obviously the hose is the expensive bit though :bawl:

Re: Cinders

Posted: Mon 29 Feb, 2016 23:20
by deni2s
You are scaring me. I will have to drive in the morning to work in my recently purchased 19 years old z3 I never checked any valves and not sure about previous owners too and now I have to look at this... And I haven't checked myself any valves on the other roadster the same age in 7 years of owning it, not sure if someone did when changing the head or cams... I just don't want to worry about things like that and just want to ignore this :D

Re: Cinders

Posted: Tue 01 Mar, 2016 09:19
by kjb1
Where is the CCV on a 1.9 1997 engine located? good advice


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Re: Cinders

Posted: Tue 01 Mar, 2016 14:50
by Southernboy

Re: Cinders

Posted: Tue 01 Mar, 2016 15:05
by Del
Very easy to change on the 4-pot. I've changed both my DISA (noisy and making loud clicking) and the CCV valve. Cars like mine (1998) are getting old and just need bits of renovation doing from time to time.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Tue 01 Mar, 2016 16:49
by Wookee
kjb1 wrote:Where is the CCV on a 1.9 1997 engine located? good advice
I would guess Soputhernboy's link has helped you here? I think we have different engines (mine is an M43TU) so they are placed slightly differently, but easy to find- you should have a rubber hose coming out from the top of your rocker cover, if you follow it you will find your CCV. The easiest way to check it is to pull it off the rocker cover and look in both (now) open bits to see if there is any oily gunge inside them. If there is then it probably needs replacing. This check will take less than a minute.

To replace it you'll see it is attached to another pipe which is part of the coolant system, when you buy the replacement you get both hoses attached to each other in this wrap. The advice I read and followed was to separate the hoses and just replace the CCV one and fix them together with cable ties. This is to save you having to drain the coolant, although I think from the height of the hose you may get away with it as I can't see there being much coolant in it when the engine is cold. :?:

Re: Cinders

Posted: Tue 01 Mar, 2016 16:51
by Wookee
Del wrote:Very easy to change on the 4-pot. I've changed both my DISA (noisy and making loud clicking) and the CCV valve. Cars like mine (1998) are getting old and just need bits of renovation doing from time to time.
Much as I would like to change my DISA valve the one that was on its way to me has been broken by the courier apparently :head:. Time to source another one....sigh... :(

If that's all you've had to change then you're doing well!!

Re: Cinders

Posted: Tue 01 Mar, 2016 16:55
by Wookee
deni2s wrote:You are scaring me. I will have to drive in the morning to work in my recently purchased 19 years old z3 I never checked any valves and not sure about previous owners too and now I have to look at this... And I haven't checked myself any valves on the other roadster the same age in 7 years of owning it, not sure if someone did when changing the head or cams... I just don't want to worry about things like that and just want to ignore this :D
It's a very quick check and the hose costs about £25 from BMW. It's only that expensive because they sell it attached to another hose that you don't need to change :bad

Re: Cinders

Posted: Tue 01 Mar, 2016 17:38
by Wookee
As I was taking a photo of something else thought I'd take this one too. This is from an M43TU engine and the CCV is circled with an arrow pointing at the other end of the hose where it goes into the rocker cover. You can see where I have tied it to the other hose.

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Re: Cinders

Posted: Thu 03 Mar, 2016 20:16
by Wookee
So the DISA arrived today, in one piece, and I set about swapping them over which unfortunately isn't as simple as it looks as you have to move some other things out of the way to pull it ou all the way. I did get it out far enough to examine it and it's in the same condition as the replacement with about 2mm of play on the butterfly valve. I was expecting broken bits etc :puzzle:. So I put it back in and put the new one away for the time when the noise gets a lot louder. It might have been my imagination, but I thought it was much quieter than when last heard. That was before the change of the CCV and hose so perhaps this has had some effect :shrug

I went for a drive and everything felt very smooth and there was no smell of petrol so I'm hoping the CCV tidy up has cured my fuel consumption problem :?:

I'll say it quietly..... I might be done with the oily bits for now.... :lol:

Re: Cinders

Posted: Fri 04 Mar, 2016 10:56
by deni2s
I really love to see that things are going better :)

Re: Cinders

Posted: Fri 04 Mar, 2016 19:44
by Wookee
deni2s wrote:I really love to see that things are going better :)
Thanks. Did you check your CCV hose? :?:

Re: Cinders

Posted: Fri 04 Mar, 2016 19:59
by Wookee
I had a little drive in the sunshine today just to test things out and it's all sounding and feeling good. I'm a bit paranoid about any fuel smell and think I might still be able to smell some but I'm not certain :puzzle:

I've seen elsewhere that it might happen if the fuel tank isn't sitting right due to missing pads....and I don't recall seeing any pads on mine when it was jacked up :(

In better news- I thought I'd tackle the missing door card problem. I got one supplied with the car, but it was in the boot and didn't have the pull handle on as well as being in a generally sorry state. I got a pull handle from a breaker and once it was sprayed black it looked excellent. A bit of Dremelling on various bits of the card followed by some hot-glueing and it was ready to go on. Remembering that I hadn't taken this off myself, so wasn't 100% on how to put it back, I thought I did well to get it on at the third attempt :o.

A couple of bonuses in that my passenger side mirror is held together with a self-tapper so I didn't expect it to move with the electric control, but it does :D. Then there is the stereo; now that I have a driver's side tweeter working ACDC sound soooo much better :D :D. I will be getting a new head unit though that has a USB input and DAB.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Fri 04 Mar, 2016 23:21
by bertiejaffa
Hopefully the fuel smell will be paranoia - Sounds are always important, the speakers aren't the best to be fair, especially without the HK set up but a good headhunt will make a big difference

Re: Cinders

Posted: Sat 05 Mar, 2016 09:48
by Wookee
bertiejaffa wrote:Hopefully the fuel smell will be paranoia - Sounds are always important, the speakers aren't the best to be fair, especially without the HK set up but a good headhunt will make a big difference
Headhunt :shock: :shock: (great typo :lol:)

A couple of ICE specialists I've spoken to say that the speakers are ok but a change of head-unit will be a good improvement. After all it is a very small car so the speakers don't need to be massive, they also said that changing the rears would be the first option.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Sat 05 Mar, 2016 17:42
by Bonzo
I don't listen to the radio or cd's that often when out in Z3lda. The best music comes from under the bonnet and out of the exhaust pipes.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Sat 05 Mar, 2016 18:53
by deni2s
Wookee wrote: Did you check your CCV hose? :?:
Nope. Where to find it on US M52B28 and Euro M52B28 (and does it have a CCV?)?

Re: Cinders

Posted: Sat 05 Mar, 2016 20:56
by bertiejaffa
Wookee wrote:
bertiejaffa wrote:Hopefully the fuel smell will be paranoia - Sounds are always important, the speakers aren't the best to be fair, especially without the HK set up but a good headhunt will make a big difference
Headhunt :shock: :shock: (great typo :lol:)

A couple of ICE specialists I've spoken to say that the speakers are ok but a change of head-unit will be a good improvement. After all it is a very small car so the speakers don't need to be massive, they also said that changing the rears would be the first option.
Ha ha ha - Opps, too much vino !! I actually like the thought of it now though... :twisted: :twisted:

My 2.0l has upgraded rear speakers and they sound mint to be fair - not expensive ones either, I've seen them in Hlafords - you'll see them on the journal under my sig.

Re: Cinders

Posted: Sun 06 Mar, 2016 13:26
by Wookee
Bonzo wrote:I don't listen to the radio or cd's that often when out in Z3lda. The best music comes from under the bonnet and out of the exhaust pipes.
I'm with you on that :D, I usually turn it off whenever the roof is down (which it is every time it's dry 8-) )

Re: Cinders

Posted: Sun 06 Mar, 2016 13:28
by Wookee
deni2s wrote:
Wookee wrote: Did you check your CCV hose? :?:
Nope. Where to find it on US M52B28 and Euro M52B28 (and does it have a CCV?)?
No idea where it would be, but I'm pretty sure they will have one. :shrug

Re: Cinders

Posted: Sun 06 Mar, 2016 13:34
by Wookee
bertiejaffa wrote: My 2.0l has upgraded rear speakers and they sound mint to be fair - not expensive ones either, I've seen them in Hlafords - you'll see them on the journal under my sig.
It might well have been your journal I was reading that gave me the idea to look in Halfords for the ICE. I quite like their range with the orange detailing on it and it made me think that I might try adding a few more orange details to the car :puzzle:

Re: Cinders

Posted: Sun 06 Mar, 2016 13:44
by bertiejaffa
These?

I will be doing the same mod to the M in a few week when I gut the interior

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Re: Cinders

Posted: Sun 13 Mar, 2016 16:44
by Wookee
The fuel situation hasn't improved with driving it this week....even though I have been 'pressing on' on some days on others I have been driving more sensibly and the fuel gauge is still dropping very quickly. I think I'm going to give Terraclean a go this coming week to see if that helps any. :shrug

Re: Cinders

Posted: Mon 14 Mar, 2016 09:06
by deni2s
I don't know if it's possible with your ECU, but with MS41 I could use free software RomRaider with OBD2 data cable you already have which allows to log various data from car sensors in real time and check what's happening. Like air flow, fuel trim, coolant temp, etc. And then I could look at the tables in ECU and try to understand. Maybe some engine temp sensor is not working correctly and ECU tries to enrich the fuel all the time because of that. But of course, you need some experience and understanding how ECU tables are related to the car sensors and engine.