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Schnitzer for real or not? with picture

Post by Ragtop » Wed 25 Aug, 2010 19:19

I recently won an auction for AC Schnitzer gear knob and pedals. The gear knob weighs 5 3/4 ozs. How can I tell whether these items are genuine or imitation?

Am I right in saying that I will have to drill holes in my pedals to fit the Schnitzer pedals?

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Post by amancuso » Wed 25 Aug, 2010 19:38

Nice stuff! Does your Z have the titanium or wood trim?
Afraid I don't know how to tell genuine from repros.

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Post by gookah » Wed 25 Aug, 2010 19:42

if that is a mark on the top of the gearknob just where the emblem meets the metal, I would say it is not genuine.... Schnitzer quality is usually very good and I would be surprised if that passed their QC.


Also.... the pedal quality is not too good, they seem blurry :D :D
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Post by Ragtop » Wed 25 Aug, 2010 19:48

gookah wrote:if that is a mark on the top of the gearknob just where the emblem meets the metal, I would say it is not genuine.... Schnitzer quality is usually very good and I would be surprised if that passed their QC.


Also.... the pedal quality is not too good, they seem blurry :D :D


The blurry picture of the pedals is due to the camera focussing on the gear knob. Will get a clearer picture up.

As you say gookah there is a small chip on the gear knob.

Forgot to mention, these items are used.

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Post by Ragtop » Wed 25 Aug, 2010 19:49

amancuso wrote:Nice stuff! Does your Z have the titanium or wood trim?
Afraid I don't know how to tell genuine from repros.

Al


It has the brushed aluminium trim.
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Post by TitanTim » Wed 25 Aug, 2010 20:06

I would say they are copies, the quality isn't upto ACS standards, there is no crispness. The pedals looks similar in quality to a set I bought for £40, a genuine ACS set are around £170. Genuine gear knob around £160.

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Re: Schnitzer for real or not? with picture

Post by Titan » Wed 25 Aug, 2010 20:09

Ragtop wrote: How can I tell whether these items are genuine or imitation?
Does it matter if they work ?
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Post by TitanTim » Wed 25 Aug, 2010 20:14

Titan wrote:
Ragtop wrote: How can I tell whether these items are genuine or imitation?
Does it matter if they work ?
I thought that Mr T, even £40 I thought was pricey for the pedals considering I'd be wiping my size 10s on them everyday :lol:

My knob, well that was worth and arm and a leg :)

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Post by amancuso » Wed 25 Aug, 2010 20:15

Ragtop wrote:
amancuso wrote:Nice stuff! Does your Z have the titanium or wood trim?
Afraid I don't know how to tell genuine from repros.

Al


It has the brushed aluminium trim.
That's cool. It'll all match then. My car has black leatherette with wood trim, including shift knob and hand brake. Also I have the chrome surrounds on the dials and centre console A/C knobs.
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Re: Schnitzer for real or not? with picture

Post by amancuso » Wed 25 Aug, 2010 20:16

TitanTim wrote:
My knob, well that was worth and arm and a leg :)

Tim.
Is that all it's worth? :wink:
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Post by DAVE P » Wed 25 Aug, 2010 21:05

genuine AC Schnitzer pedals come with fixing brackets for the brake and clutch pedals which clamp the acs parts to the original pedals, copies only tend to be supplied with the small fixing bolts.

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Post by Ragtop » Wed 25 Aug, 2010 21:08

DAVE P wrote:genuine AC Schnitzer pedals come with fixing brackets for the brake and clutch pedals which clamp the acs parts to the original pedals, copies only tend to be supplied with the small fixing bolts.


Thanks for that Dave. I have got the small fixing bolts with mine so I will have to drill holes in my pedals.
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Post by gookah » Wed 25 Aug, 2010 22:49

Ragtop wrote:
Also.... the pedal quality is not too good, they seem blurry :D :D

The blurry picture of the pedals is due to the camera focussing on the gear knob.



that was just a joke.... hence the :D :D

depth of field and all that :)
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Post by jont » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 04:16

Hi

I had a set of these the centre rubber will not last, it wares down very quickly
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Re: Schnitzer for real or not? with picture

Post by TaffZee » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 05:45

My knob, well that was worth and arm and a leg :)

Tim.[/quote]

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Post by Jonttt » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 09:23

mmmm from the pictures the pedals actually look like originals and therefore hard to tell without actually touching them. If they are second hand the clips may have been misplaced ?

The gearstick again from pics is hard to tell but as far as I know the "short shift" gearsticks only came with etched tops and not stickers. I've had a "copy" one sent to me and to be honest the only reason I knew it was a copy is I already had an original to compare it directly against. Even though I only paid a few pounds for it I sent it back and got a refund but to be honest for the money it was a bargain as 99% of people would not have been able to tell.

Genuine second hand short shift gearsticks tend to go for £60+.
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Post by Ragtop » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 09:54

Thanks everyone for your comments. :thumb: I was originally looking for a gearstick and came across the gearstick with the pedals and set a limit of £30 for both as I wasn't sure they were originals. The advert was spelt wrongly so not many bidders.
I will certainly try the gearstick to see if the weight makes a difference to the OEM one. The rubber inserts look new on the pedals. I'm not sure if I want to drill holes in the pedals, but will give it more thought. :puzzle:

Jonttt I recently saw a picture of your Schinitzer gearstick, if it's not on your car at the moment would it be possible for you to weigh it for me to see if it's the same as mine which is 5 3/4 ounces.
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Post by Jonttt » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 11:08

I have x2 in "storage" and one on the car. I'm taking the one off the car as I have a new one to try :twisted: so I'll weigh it at the weekend buts its not a "short shift" one.

New one I'm going to try:

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Post by Ragtop » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 12:16

Jonttt in this thread http://www.zroadster.net/forum/viewtopi ... ht=#253592 you posted a picture of a Schinitzer gearstick, is this the one you sent back?

Having seen that picture I assumed you still had it, hence asking you to weigh it.

I should have looked at your post above more closely. :dunce: :)
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Post by Frank.A » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 13:02

Chinese copies of Schnitzer that I have seen weigh in at 250gms(8.8oz) but the one in the link below which has same shape but with BMW badge weighs according to the vendor 800gms(28oz)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GEAR-KNOB-BMW-E36 ... arParts_SM

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Post by JAY » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 14:14

Ragtop wrote: Image
Hard to tell from pic if pedals are fake, but the gear nob doesn't look right compared to mine.

I also have the acs dead rest too
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Post by Ragtop » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 20:29

Gear knob on (sort of). Will have to drive it before I bite the bullet and cut the wires. Haven't been able to drive it for the last couple of days as I have been dying the seats.

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Have only put the pedals on with self tappers at the moment. I think they look ok so I will probably go ahead and drill the holes.

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Post by TitanTim » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 20:37

Ragtop, there is no need to cut the wires on the gear knob :shock: If you pull the gaitor up over the gear knob and remove the foam block you will see the wires go off under the front of the centre console. Gently pull the wire and a plastic connector should appear. You just need to unplug the gear knob. Tape the left connector block up with some insulating tape and I taped mine down to stop it moving around.

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Post by Titan » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 20:43

Ooooh look Tim
Ragtop has got two knobs :shock:
TitanTim wrote:Gently pull the wire and a plastic connector should appear
If you pull too hard, the battery will appear :P
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Post by Ragtop » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 20:43

Thanks for that Tim. How do I get the gaitor away from the centre console?
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Post by Titan » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 20:45

It's held in with 4 lugs, 2 along each side
Gently push with your nails under one side and lift at the same time.
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Post by Ragtop » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 20:47

Yes please Titan. :)
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Post by Jonttt » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 20:47

I don't have the one in the pic you listed as I sold that but I do have a new "blackline" version on which is the same but black and I know is genuine Schnitzer.

Looking at your fitted pics it is easier to see. The gear stick does not look genuine and to be honest neither do the pedals. I don't have close up pics of mine (I'll try and remember to take some pics at weekend as car is stored) but the wording does not seem to be the correct font (but they do look good on :wink: )

I have the dead pedal (ie footrest) as well, they are very rare as they were so expensive new and are no longer available, they bring c£100 second hand :shock: but to be honest they are not worth it as they just restrict the pedals and you have to use driving shoes if you have wide feet.
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Post by Mouldy » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 20:48

Titan wrote:If you pull too hard, the battery will appear :P

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Titan » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 21:04

Here you go Ragtop:

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Post by TitanTim » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 21:07

Mr T to the rescue, but 2 knobs and sorcery :shock: :shock:

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Post by Ragtop » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 21:08

Thanks for the pictures Titan. I guess they are your library pictures and you haven't just gone out and took them? :lol:
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Post by Titan » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 21:09

Nope - I went out and took them 'specially for you - check the time on the clock :shock:
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Post by Titan » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 21:14

TitanTim wrote:Mr T to the rescue, but 2 knobs and sorcery :shock: :shock:
Well I figured waiting until Xmas was not an option :shock:
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Post by TitanTim » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 21:14

This is my ACS knob for comparison

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Post by Ragtop » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 21:15

Titan wrote:Nope - I went out and took them 'specially for you - check the time on the clock :shock:
(PS you have email)


Titan you are a star. Thank you very much. :bow
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Post by Ragtop » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 21:18

That is very very nice Tim, alas my budget wouldn't stretch that far though.
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Post by TitanTim » Thu 26 Aug, 2010 21:28

Ragtop wrote:That is very very nice Tim, alas my budget wouldn't stretch that far though.
Thanks Ragtop, but it was a bit of a bottle of Metz and 3 glasses of Shiraz e-bay bid :shock: :oops:

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Post by Althulas » Tue 19 Oct, 2010 22:58

Ragtop wrote:
DAVE P wrote:genuine AC Schnitzer pedals come with fixing brackets for the brake and clutch pedals which clamp the acs parts to the original pedals, copies only tend to be supplied with the small fixing bolts.


Thanks for that Dave. I have got the small fixing bolts with mine so I will have to drill holes in my pedals.
I've just won a set of these, stated as genuine brand new in the box, pic has ac schnitzer tag. I asked the seller if it came with clamps but he replied that only copies have the clamps and the originals short bolts. I'll just have to see when they turn up.
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Post by Cloz » Wed 20 Oct, 2010 00:54

Titan wrote:
TitanTim wrote:Gently pull the wire and a plastic connector should appear
If you pull too hard, the battery will appear :P
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Post by Ragtop » Sat 23 Oct, 2010 10:53

Althulas wrote:I've just won a set of these, stated as genuine brand new in the box, pic has ac schnitzer tag. I asked the seller if it came with clamps but he replied that only copies have the clamps and the originals short bolts. I'll just have to see when they turn up.
Have you received these yet? Did they come with the fixing clamps/brackets?

Picture below shows mine fitted. I had to make my own clamps/brackets for the brake and clutch pedals. I just screwed the accelerator pedal onto the original one.
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I never did discover whether mine were originals or not but my guess is they are copies.
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Post by Althulas » Sat 23 Oct, 2010 12:23

To cut a long story short I've sent mine back being so they were copies. The seller was dishonest with his listing to say the least but after some aggravation I should be getting my refund soon.
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Post by Ragtop » Sat 23 Oct, 2010 12:58

Althulas wrote:To cut a long story short I've sent mine back being so they were copies. The seller was dishonest with his listing to say the least but after some aggravation I should be getting my refund soon.


Althulas how did you identify them as copies? Did they come with clamps/brackets?

I think my ones may have been advertised something like Schnitzer style. As I only paid £30 for the pedals and gearstick I wasn't that concerned about them being copies. But if yours were advertised as genuine then it's right you get a refund.
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Post by Althulas » Sat 23 Oct, 2010 14:33

They never came in a ASC box or with a certificate. The AC part of the emblem engraved on the pedals is different from the one the seller displayed from his listing. If you go on ebay and look at the Rossiters listings you can see the difference in the logo. There is also a slight difference on the curved shape of the accelerator pedal if you look very carefully.
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Post by TitanTim » Sat 23 Oct, 2010 15:47

Ragtop wrote:
Althulas wrote:To cut a long story short I've sent mine back being so they were copies. The seller was dishonest with his listing to say the least but after some aggravation I should be getting my refund soon.


Althulas how did you identify them as copies? Did they come with clamps/brackets?

I think my ones may have been advertised something like Schnitzer style. As I only paid £30 for the pedals and gearstick I wasn't that concerned about them being copies. But if yours were advertised as genuine then it's right you get a refund.
Hi Ragtop,

The e-bay seller that Mark (Althulas) had bought the pedals from had been a little naughty in that the photo he/she used was a copy of a photo that Rossiters use to advertise their genuine ACS pedal covers. Rossiters are the official UK importer and distributor for ACS, The seller had listed the pedals as the Genuine item. When I looked at the set Mark had bought on the reverse side of the pedals is some serial numbers which match a copy set I also have. The set I bought 2 years ago are definite copies as I paid 40 quid or so for them and they were advertised as such.

I hope Mark gets a refund as they were blatanly being sold as Genuine :roll:

The genuine set are around £150 so when you see something for a third of the price or with no reserve I have to ask why is the seller willing to take a potential loss in value if genuine.

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Post by Ragtop » Sat 23 Oct, 2010 16:18

Hi Tim

Thanks for the info. I will be wary of who I buy items from in the future after what happened to Anthulas. I wonder if the feedback would tell us anything about the seller Anthulas bought from.
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Post by Althulas » Sat 23 Oct, 2010 16:33

To be fair the seller already gave me nice feedback before I even received the item. He even has 100% feedback so I was perplexed by being sent an obvious fake, the trickery to go with it and the hassle of emails to get him to do the right thing.
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Post by TitanTim » Sat 23 Oct, 2010 16:38

Althulas wrote:To be fair the seller already gave me nice feedback before I even received the item. He even has 100% feedback so I was perplexed by being sent an obvious fake, the trickery to go with it and the hassle of emails to get him to do the right thing.
If you look at the feedback though, the guy has only actually sold 3 items. The rest is feedback from other sellers from items he has bought. Its always a good idea to actally look at how many items the seller has sold in this case not many lol. So when you see 100% feedback its natural to think AOK seller and genuine :|

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Post by Althulas » Thu 04 Nov, 2010 16:22

This seller as turn out to be a right tosser full of bull shite sweet nothings. The seller has stopped responding to any communications so I will now have to wait until the 6th to escalate my claim.

I've managed to missplace my reciept for recorded delivery :head: but he has acknowledged that he's had the returned item through the eBay email system so hopefully eBay won't allow allow him to get away with theft. I do have the sellers home and work address just makes you mad enough to go and pay him a visit and give his mush a good smack resulting in more than 70 quids worth of dental work.
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Post by swamper » Thu 04 Nov, 2010 17:18

have you told him you may pay him a visit ??
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