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There is no denying they are a nice looking piece of kit :D if you've got the money buy one but I think anyone that buys something car related as an investment is a brave man.
I would anticipate the number of people willing to fork out £2k for a second hand roof when some people can't even sell there cars for similar money would be scarce :oops:. And the people whose cars value might warrant the investment probably never see a drop of the wet stuff other than when it's washed so as Tim said it will likely sit in the garage gathering dust.
Having said all that I'll take one :lol: :lol:
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Captain wrote:I agree with you, the point I was trying to make is that an oem hardtop probably cost more than 2K
There is no probably about it - it cost 2k, all in, fitted, with fitting kit, which is what I paid when I bought mine with the car just 6 months old - it has never had a winter without it! :)

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In relation there not that expensive.. The cams in my M are criteria 1k and that's two bits of metal that you never see! And that's before fitting them..

As said oem hardtops were around 2k new so I think of the hamann top as just an alternative hardtop..

Even now to find a 'second hand' oem top and fitting kit your looking at £750-1k then you need to paint it also...

So a group buy at around £1500 say would be a good deal for a brand new hardtop with fitting kit IMO.
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Robert T wrote:
Captain wrote:I agree with you, the point I was trying to make is that an oem hardtop probably cost more than 2K
There is no probably about it - it cost 2k, all in, fitted, with fitting kit, which is what I paid when I bought mine with the car just 6 months old - it has never had a winter without it! :)

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Captain wrote:When was that :grin:
Way back when the world was in black and white...! Around October 1999 I should think.

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For those of you that don't have a hardtop already and are thinking about getting one of these, I can honestly say that my hardtop was the biggest waste of money I have spent in umpteen years of Zed ownership.

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There's enough buyers out there....why do you still have it?
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pingu wrote:For those of you that don't have a hardtop already and are thinking about getting one of these, I can honestly say that my hardtop was the biggest waste of money I have spent in umpteen years of Zed ownership.Everytime the sun shines, I think :head: .
I must agree Pingu :head:
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Ill buy your hardtop pingu if is in Estoril? :D
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pingu wrote:For those of you that don't have a hardtop already and are thinking about getting one of these, I can honestly say that my hardtop was the biggest waste of money I have spent in umpteen years of Zed ownership.

Everytime the sun shines, I think :head: .
I think these are being purchased more for show, than for pure use. If I spent 2k on a hardtop it would be on all year round, I would no longer care if the sun is shining I would want to get as much use as possible out of my 2 grand hardtop.

And if your not purchasing it for show than you may as well save over a grand and buy an OEM one :)
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When I got my car (3yrs this month) I wanted a hardtop and found one in the right colour 10mins away in perfect condition. The bloke selling it said he'd throw in the fitting kit for free if I bought the roof ( don't think he realised the kits value :oops: and I didn't tell him as I bit his hand and arm off). It's never on, I only put it on the car over winter as I didn't have the stand until now and ive even bought the winch :head:
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Very simple. My car is my daily driver, and it makes a world of difference to using the car every day in winter. Trying to demist the plastic windscreen is nigh upon impossible - simple press of a button and the HRW clears the rear screen of the hardtop. It is warmer, quieter and I think it looks great. The hardtop is usually on October-March and stays on. Yes, there are days when I wish I could have the top down, but then there are days when it is p'ing it down and I am on a motorway, snug and dry and able to listen to the stereo without having it turned up to 11. I also now have another roadster for top down driving days in winter, so if its a roof down day, I can still feel the wind in my hair (whilst I still have some to feel it in). I wouldn't be without mine, as it means I get three cars in one. :D

If your zed is your toy car and only goes out when the sun is shining, then yes, the hardtop is a complete waste of money. If you use the car year round, whatever the weather, then they are great.

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pingu wrote:For those of you that don't have a hardtop already and are thinking about getting one of these, I can honestly say that my hardtop was the biggest waste of money I have spent in umpteen years of Zed ownership.

Everytime the sun shines, I think :head: .
So in this country that's never then :lol:

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From a fabrication viewpoint the rear screen in the Hamann hardtop looks a little more basic in that it is small and relatively flat – similar to car windows 60 years ago. The rear glass in the conventional hardtop does look larger, curved and therefore a more advanced bit of fabrication. Only a personal observation – fully appreciate the rare and “designer” character of the Hamann hardtop.

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Del wrote:From a fabrication viewpoint the rear screen in the Hamann hardtop looks a little more basic in that it is small and relatively flat – similar to car windows 60 years ago. The rear glass in the conventional hardtop does look larger, curved and therefore a more advanced bit of fabrication. Only a personal observation – fully appreciate the rare and “designer” character of the Hamann hardtop.

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Damn every time I look at that humans hardtop it looks mean :-)

I think your missing the point. I would be getting one to turn my roady into a great looking coupe. I've spend the last 2 months looking for a nice coupe hobby car in the 993 (one of my all time favourite looking cars) but all the time a nagging in justifying having two hobby cars as I could never sell the Z3. Then this thread starts, I walk past the z3 in storage and it hits me, why not make the Z3 multi purpose! So yes I would drive it in summer with the hamann on which I would never do with the OEM top. On really nice days I would take it off.

Frustratingly I did not have chance to phone them today, boring meetings and I had to order Swmbo a new car (I asked her if she wanted a 993 and she asked how big the boot was so I gave up :-(

I'll be on the case next week and hopefully they will have sorted a price out supplied and a price including fitting.
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Robert T wrote: and able to listen to the stereo without having it turned up to 11.
you have 'the' stereo, with 11 on it :D
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Go Jonttt....Time for some serious negotiations! It's a fine top for Z3!
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Personally, I think that it looks very smart and I am sure that Shantybeater would approve if I put one on his old s54, but at the same time my head tells me that I only use the car as a fair weather toy and it would end up cluttering up my garage.

Still tempting though! :twisted:
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For me any hardtop I get will stay permanently on :oops: :oops: Its what I love about the Z4, i.e. no fabric hood to maintain and keep looking good so its a perfect excuse to go for one :P

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I'm getting one after I've sold the oem
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Z3cade wrote:Ill buy your hardtop pingu if is in Estoril? :D
It is Estoril, but it needs a respray as the top is badly scratched. I've thought about doing it myself as I'm getting quite handy with a spray can :shock: .
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Bi11 wrote: I am sure that Shantybeater would approve if I put one on his old s54,
Shanty was one of the few in the know and on the lookout ;-)
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......so sleuth-like... 8-) A group of undercover agents, searching the recesses of the web, carefully examining the scraps of electronic conversations 10 years old and covered in fifty shades of dust...tracing sources back to their unsuspecting origins....searching for the grail. Yes Jontt, Shanty and "others"...stealthily padding through the cyber undergrowth....
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There is nothing to know lol, Autovogue has listed the Hamann accessories on their website for years, their brochure has always been available on request so you could still order any of the items including the hardtop. Because no one has enquired specifically about the hardtop it was generally assumed it had been discontinued. There is no holy grail lol it's just a hardtop that's still available made to order. I imagine non have appeared on the secondhand market as the Hamann accessories have never really been that popular on the Z3.

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Who is actually making them though?
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I enquired a few years ago about the hardtop and its was available then, as now.

The geezer never called back Friday so no news on shipping or any price reduction for quantity. I guess there is not enough interest for a group buy?

I am still thinking about it but cooling off a bit. Pingu's post strikes a chord. My car is a summer car and the top wouldnt get used much. If fitted for looks im sure I would be missing the wind :-?

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The question remains...what number constitutes a group buy??
There are at least 8 members who I believe would be up for one...Is that enough ?
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TitanTim wrote:There is nothing to know lol, Autovogue has listed the Hamann accessories on their website for years, their brochure has always been available on request so you could still order any of the items including the hardtop. Because no one has enquired specifically about the hardtop it was generally assumed it had been discontinued. There is no holy grail lol it's just a hardtop that's still available made to order. I imagine non have appeared on the secondhand market as the Hamann accessories have never really been that popular on the Z3.

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I was not interested in simply buying a new one ie I knew I could from the uk supplier. The holy grail was finding a second hand roll hoop version. The only 2 I have seen for sale in 4 years was the carbon one from harman direct but not really discounted as 2nd hand and one in the USA which would have cost too much to ship ie the holy grail for me was finding a second hand one. The fact only a couple of members on here were actively looking for one made it more fun :D

Now my remit has changed and I fancy spending some money on the Z3 to keep my interest alive, after all that's what a hobby car is all about. The mods I have planned for this year are with a different remit in that I may not get the full value of them in the sense of a financial return but they will still cost less than I would normally incur in depreciation on a car in 12 months making it still a cheap hobby for me (that's my logic anyway) of course it is helped by the fact I do have some spare funds which were set aside for another car and I'm itching to spend :twisted:
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Southernboy wrote:The question remains...what number constitutes a group buy??
There are at least 8 members who I believe would be up for one...Is that enough ?
In my experience of group buys the majority get some interest at first but in reality only a small percentage actually happen ie expressing a desire and putting hand in pocket are miles apart :wink:
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My question is more directed at the supplier taking sufficient interest to go ahead and get them made up at price "x"....What would they deem a minimum quantity to go ahead ?
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Jonttt wrote:
TitanTim wrote:There is nothing to know lol, Autovogue has listed the Hamann accessories on their website for years, their brochure has always been available on request so you could still order any of the items including the hardtop. Because no one has enquired specifically about the hardtop it was generally assumed it had been discontinued. There is no holy grail lol it's just a hardtop that's still available made to order. I imagine non have appeared on the secondhand market as the Hamann accessories have never really been that popular on the Z3.

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I was not interested in simply buying a new one ie I knew I could from the uk supplier. The holy grail was finding a second hand roll hoop version. The only 2 I have seen for sale in 4 years was the carbon one from harman direct but not really discounted as 2nd hand and one in the USA which would have cost too much to ship ie the holy grail for me was finding a second hand one. The fact only a couple of members on here were actively looking for one made it more fun :D

Now my remit has changed and I fancy spending some money on the Z3 to keep my interest alive, after all that's what a hobby car is all about. The mods I have planned for this year are with a different remit in that I may not get the full value of them in the sense of a financial return but they will still cost less than I would normally incur in depreciation on a car in 12 months making it still a cheap hobby for me (that's my logic anyway) of course it is helped by the fact I do have some spare funds which were set aside for another car and I'm itching to spend :twisted:
I can see your point of view Jon ie the fun in tracking one down secondhand :lol: but like the Schnitzer alloys I gave up looking for a perfect set secondhand and just bought a new set lol.

As for the hardtop I may still be interested as I'm not that bothered putting the roof down on the 3 as its the winter car and 4 is for sun fun.

It's whether I go for one now or wait until late summer when I will be thinking of using the 3 again.

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Deano1712 wrote:I enquired a few years ago about the hardtop and its was available then, as now.

The geezer never called back Friday so no news on shipping or any price reduction for quantity. I guess there is not enough interest for a group buy?

I am still thinking about it but cooling off a bit. Pingu's post strikes a chord. My car is a summer car and the top wouldnt get used much. If fitted for looks im sure I would be missing the wind :-?

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TitanTim wrote:I'm not that bothered putting the roof down on the 3 as its the winter car and 4 is for sun fun.
so....
you want to get a hardtop for the Z3, to use in winter, as it has a soft top which is more suited to summer use.
and you want to use the Z4 in summer, which already has a hardtop and is ideal for winter use....

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gookah wrote:
TitanTim wrote:I'm not that bothered putting the roof down on the 3 as its the winter car and 4 is for sun fun.
so....
you want to get a hardtop for the Z3, to use in winter, as it has a soft top which is more suited to summer use.
and you want to use the Z4 in summer, which already has a hardtop and is ideal for winter use....

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currently around $4800 retail in the USA from a couple of suppliers...so £2000 is a pretty good price... :wink:
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Im thinking of an ebay clearout to start my hamaan roof fund. might take a while, but hopefully by that time someone will actually have one for me to have a look at. Jonttt - any progress?
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I think Jontt is arranging a roof for himself based on a sales commission to the rest of the world.... :D ....That's what I would do.... :wink:
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AutoVogue never called me back re the prices. It doesnt feel like they are interested in the business! I have decided its not for me so if anyone is planning to proceed you need to give them a ring direct.
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I've experienced similar with Autovogue before :-(
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What a shame this thread didn't pop up 6 months back! Will be watching with interest :)
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No news about actual price? I would be interested in one if price is better than usual.
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Price I got last Thursday was 1790 + vat delivered to their Staffordshire address. Will need picking up from there. No discount for group buy offerred. They are certainly not a customer focussed business. Getting a price has been hard work.

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they obviously don't want to sell many :?
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Post by Southernboy »

Consider the price of a brand new OEM roof.....it's actually not expensive!
I would consider it if I didn't have the added costs of shipping (£800), customs duty (40%) and S.A. VAT (14%). It would work out to £.3700.00+. :shock:
For that kind of ammo, I could have my motor fully rebuilt, car fully repainted, interior fully re-upholstered, new wheels and tyres, and a comfortable 7 day holiday with all meals and return airfares, and after spending money, I'd still have piles left over.. In my money that equates to around
R. 55,000.00.
As a guide, my entire interior with extended leather plus having the roll bars leather covered cost me R. 6000.00...I had my entire car resprayed ata cost of R. 7000.00...A set of BBS wheels with tyres costs R. 4000.00....NEW!
A full rebuild would cost around R.20,000.00, and a week away in Mauritius R. 8000.00 incl airfares.
I guess I'll have to keep the soft top as my only option until I come across an OEM roof at a good price. :wink:
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Re: Hamann hardtops...

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Maybe the official Hamann importer in SA would get you a better deal?

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Cheers mate, I'll enquire there, but I won't hold my breath...they will want to add on their own profits etc... :wink:
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Its a lot of money but thats the cost of exclusivity. I nearly ordered one yesterday but restisted the urge lol. I think I will get one but not just yet. I plan to keep my motor running over next winter (for the fine days) and think it would look good with the hardtop on for then. I dont see me using a hardtop over the sumer so no point buying one right now. £2k+ is a lot of money but its a drop in the ocean compared to what I have spend recently on the V8 motor etc.
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Don't forget if you own a hardtop already then that can be sold to offset the cost ;)
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Post by Eastsix »

Ive never had any painting done on a car - how much would it likely cost to get one of these hardtps sprayed to a decent standard?
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